Celestes was similar. Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. Shanann was discovered in a "foetal position" in a shallow grave, while her two young daughters were found in "crude oil sludge". If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. Gallstones form over a period of time, raised hormone levels in pregnancy contribute to them. If you look at other cases where someone is strangled to death, the amount of defensive wounds, including bruises, is extensive. As a woman, I never go to sleep with my bra on. But, wait a minute, he is that selfish and only thinks of himself, and he is too much of a coward. External bruising may have been caused by the assailant releasing the victim after killing by stranglehold, and the victim falling onto an object which would cause small circular patternation and subsequent bruising. He woke up at 5 a.m. to get ready for work, and they began talking about separating. And to think CW called a co-worker @ 5pm to tell him that he would be going directly to the oil battery site and told the co-worker he didnt need to. I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! Hence, no struggle, no stretches. Or perhaps Chris had one with himself by way of rationalizing killing his family, although I dont think it was emotional. But think about it. No, ONE fully-formed, perfect adult and TWO fully-formed, perfect BABIES. It was almost too much to absorb at one reading. Mucho menos que estaba enferma. People with OCD have rituals. I guess my vanity rubbed off on her. These are just my opinions (based on zero knowledge). Chris went to an oil well job site to check out it. Chris was photographed head to toe & didnt have one mark on his body consistent with somebody fighting for their life from being strangled. what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. They say the questions had nothing to do with infidelity so it doesnt matter whether or not he had an affair. Even if they appear to be dead or as the agent in this case said decapitated you call & plead for someway to help fix them. C . Ethanol makes sense, especially because it could be disguised in the chemicals themselves. Stranglehold Theory. When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. I did. Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. To the extent on the spectrum that it played out is the horror. Ive been sleeping in my bra during my pregnancy- because my chest hurts all the time and taking it off even to shower is extremely uncomfortable. Or after kids went to bed, and Im sure she didnt want to become an instant Mom! Mark, that is really interesting! That seems to have been nothing but getting manicures, shopping, and making videos. Tell the world, especially the misinformed idiots who think Chris Watts is an attractive man and Shannan was controlling. Kinda odd. I have watched/listened to a lot of Nicks videos and am now working my way through his books, and I can honestly say that he is impartial and simply digs deep into the why of the case. No, so you have same information that anyone else has. Powered by. However, the autopsy does not detail the size or spacing of these marks sufficiently to form an educated opinion. Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. Not one place on his body? Just like those rare occasions where you laughed so hard you peed in your pants, you will pee and poop in the spontaneous relaxation of your muscles following death. Chris Watts advised that blankets and stuffed animals were left by the sheet which was near Shananns grave. If Chris had not had the affair, he would not have killed his family! DENVER (CBS4) The district attorney in Weld County says the autopsy reports are complete for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters found dead at . In the autopsy Shannan was found to be still wearing a bra. Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. Areas of bruising, internal. She asked him to keep the receipt for taxes. However, his zombie-murder persona wouldnt let think that far ahead. I feel like maybe she did meet them. I am shocked shes not been charged too. Nickole called Chris several times and he kept giving different arrival times. Shes not going to carry her suitcase up the stairs because of her pregnant state, and she wasnt feeling well. Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. For the sake that they did poop, youre assuming he didnt clean it up in the bed. They didnt do date nights. The only thing that could have screwed with this is that $69 charge to the Lazy Dog. As a former forensic detective I dont completely agree with the DAs comment that it is normal. didnt attempt it herself. Like you, I believe the children were sedated, and possibly Shanann as well. Shananns Autopsy Report states, There is a linear array of variably sized, purple black circular defects which extend from the inferior aspect of the chin, along the jawline, up the left aspect of the face, towards the left temporal area. I am not saying he touched the purse. The attack was pure power and violence. Maybe he lost patience with her. This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? And to come home to a cheating bum! 2. Supposedly he took them out of school and said they wouldnt be coming back. Bella has oil in her stomach but Celeste doesnt. Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. Im just saying if her friend had never come over. The DA mentioned that. Hello everyone, Have they watched something? Bellas covers were pulled off and she was just lying in bed. Usually when suffocation happens, its not only quiet but you dont see the victims face, while strangulation you see it all. I think she was then taken, with her children, out of the rear of the property for concealment. give me a break. He tells his vindictive wife that he wants out. But from Molletts work, it seems the alcohol levels in Shananns body were normal. I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. Chris probably told shannan that shed never see the kids again.. Ive never personally had a child repeatedly behave as the girls did, and pleasea disclaimer here. 2. What about rigormortis?. My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. He said he didnt hurt Shannan just as much, Ive read all the transcripts. Remember it wasnt just the suitcase downstairs, her purse was downstairs too. In his story he goes downstairs & hears commotion goes into the bedroom & sees Bella on her bed with covers off & then Shannan on top of CeCe. Just a thought. @Nick, regarding OCD. The autopsy also made no references to elevated levels of any Thrive-related chemicals. What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? Chokeholds and Strangleholds are used in martial arts, combat sports, self-defence, law enforcement and in military hand to hand combat applications. 4. Info released has stated she had some suitcases still packed, in her bedroom, from the SC trip, and there were other things (like her purses being messy) that just keeps chipping away at true, almost disabling sort of OCD tendencies. If anything, I would say its more like few / some. He also is the male submissive in F/m relationships. The next morning, visible fingerprints (the circular marks on Shaanns autopsy), so visible that others took notice. 2 hours isnt going to bed or going to sleep. Chris Watts strangled and smothered his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, to death, before strangling their daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, with a blanket in 2018. He really thought he could get away with this? I am doing a project for school and i would like to have a look at them. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. Makes me so sick. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? @nickdvl. The childrens cause of death was given as asphyxiation due to smothering. Bella also had Blunt force trauma. No, I dont believe she was drinking at all, considering she was pregnant. But yeah I really think he was being nicer to her to assure she had her guard down when he murdered her; which was when she was sleeping, on the sofa upstairs on her phone or laptop, or god forbid he initiated some kind of intimacy that turned into her death. First off she was supposed to have been in a rage enough to have been snuffing the life out of her daughter & then when she sees the object of her rage that caused this who then starts to fight with her & strangle her she doesnt dig her nails into him anywhere? While officers were waiting, Christopher confessed to killing Shanann, and getting rid of the bodies of Celeste and Bella. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. I believe those stains were on the sheets and thats why they were pulled off. Like someone took over his body. Thats all information in police interviews with Shananns friends. like others, cannot wrap my brain around his behavior. He added Shannan in as an after thought, or Shannanor my wife Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. Im having my doubts about an emotional conversation occurring that particular morning prior to Chriss killing Shanann. I'm not sure whether the restrictions on health related information had a bearing on this aspect, or the Thrive aspect, or both. @Carol: OCD appears at least 5 times in the Discovery Documents. Bella fought back, according to the prosecutor, Denver Channel reported. Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. Celeste and Bellas bodies were each inside one of the tanks. Esophageal strictures are typically treated with a procedure called esophageal dilation, during which a physician uses a small balloon to stretch open the scar tissue causing the narrowing in the esophagus. He did something to immobilize or pin down her arms. He asked one time if he should go look for his familyhe did not ask again about looking and he did not seem overly concerned, the police report said. She was pregnant some women have very sore breasts when pregnant and the bra adds support & comfort. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. (RJ Sangosti/The Denver Post via AP, Pool) Autopsy reports released Monday afternoon reveal in the greatest detail so far what, exactly, Christopher Watts pleaded guilty to, and why he'll serve the rest of his life in prison.The reports for Watts' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3; show Watts killed his . So Shananns OCD personality stopped that night? https://youtu.be/U8fe6Ckeh5A?t=210. GREELEY, Colo. Authorities released Monday the autopsy reports of Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3. Now i fully beleive NK was in on plan, her idea to put bodies in tanks to help disolve them. Is there any way you can send it to my email please. parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. There is cowardice involved but theres an easier way to attack and subdue someone than to wait for them to fall asleep. Prior to taking the test he was asked a bunch of questions one of them was name some ways you could make somebody disappear. A trillion to bullshit thats what they are!!! The autopsy is commenced at 1030 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Shanann Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. Chris thought that she was dead? So wheres the problem here? It just seems to me that Bella would actually have had to swallow the oil to get it into her stomach. If the oil got into her stomach by being submerged in the tank then shouldnt CeCe have oil in her system too. The lie detector test question focused solely on her, didnt even mention the kids. But then whats your scenario? As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. Its in the autopsy x. He was photographed head to toe upon booking & was found to have no offensive wounds on him anywhere. There is no soul in his eyes. Also, in the 2-4 minutes it took him to kill Shannan, this father who would never hurt his kids, never looked at the visible baby bump and thought Im killing the baby too, I need to stop. Before I became a police officer- I was an EMT and I worked for 8 months for a company that transports dead bodies from where they die to funeral homes or the medical examiner. Im a survivor. Poor Bella was smothered with extreme force to her face that it left bruising. The ethanol levels are perplexing though; even in decomposition they are rarely above .07. One of the predatory marketing techniques used by MLMs (which overwhelmingly target MOMs) is that they can be at home *with* their children, making extra money with little effort. Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. It may interest people to see how MLM companies such as Thrive, train their customers and promoters in Time and Management and Organisational skills, both of which can be classified as OCD behaviours to an untrained eye. Wow, you are really reaching here. could also suggest a Stranglehold. Straight up facts. He is responsible for his own actions, many people live with worse and dont kill anyone. The mark on his neck might have been from Bella; Shanann had really long nails. This guy had some sort of mental problem. Correct. He cared more about his 2 month relationship with that home wrecker then the 6 years he spent with his wife and the lives of his children. You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. He probably wanted it done quickly and in the dark so he wouldnt have to see anyones faces, anything that might make him doubt what he is doing. @Nick I think she was killed by a surprise carotid choke (blood choke) rendering her unconscious within 3-6 seconds, hence no defence injuries, and dead in 30 seconds at the most. From their text messages & hers to friends you can tell he was trying to make her believe they had a chance & things were getting better. August 4, 2018, 12:45 a.m.: Shanann sends her husband a long text message accusing him of failing to stand up for her after his parents exposed their daughter Celeste to nuts, which she was allergic to. Could Bellas mouth injuries have occurred postmortem when he shoved her through the hatch? (Oh and the bra with pregnant women 100% The T and underwear sleep outfit? as former sheriffs deputy, mid 70s, (When females allowed on patrol) Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to manual strangulation by another individual. no she was a good mom who looked after her kids! If CW is the type of father that would never hurt his girls, then his behavior after pulling Shannan off CeCe would be to call 911, try CPR ( he had classes at work) When non murderous parents are confronted with the loss or potential loss of their children they get desperate. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely? He pushes her off CeCe and strangles her with both hands ( he demonstrates ) 75 mls is about 5 tablespoons or a third of a standard cup. As far as the BAC goes, it had been over 100 hours from the estimated time of death to when the samples were taken at autopsy. Shannan was a hypochondriac, who was gonna turn her kids into the same. He wanted out, didnt want the baby., and took the cowards way. Have you interviewed anyone for your books? Any attacking motion he made that Shanann saw, even for a second, would have prompted her to scream. The children were in 20 foot tanks with hatches on top. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. Thanks for making the reports public. Here is what the International OCD Foundation says. Based on Shanann having no defensive wounds, just the marks on her neck, I think he waited for her in bed, then after he felt she was either asleep or fully relaxed he rolled over on top of her and pinned her down somehow and then gripped around her neck. He said he was downstairs, came back up and they were gone. But the way he disposed of their bodies and took them out of school, I dont believe that at all. Very CW. Nor did any part of whats left of a moral consciousness scream what are you doing?!!! Had he planned this out, he would have killed them earlier, left in the middle of the night, in the dark, to dispose of the bodiesnot as the sun was coming up as seen in the tape. He was adamant that no no nothing like that happened but the female agent is sympathetic & is using a technic which is to put the blame on another person & make him feel less at fault. I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. I dont know about you, but I definitely dont sleep in mine. Talk to first reponders or health care workers. Because she was submerged in oil for four days. And of course she loved her children, and she was a great mom. In that sense when you learn her OCD was a significant factor, you ask how significant. She was an environmental science person. You know what they say, Sara.once you let your attacker get paper bags on your hands, theres no defending yourself. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely?. Ive been reading this whole thread and as I always respect other ppls views and opinions as much as I can, there is one contributor to this conversation that thinks they know everything sigh. But legally it was in Chriss name. Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty to killing all three in August. There is supposed to be a black smear mark on one of her pillows, possibly from makeup she was wearing, indicating that she was crying. IF the girls were sedated (with ShanAnns leftover oxycodone) before suffocation, it would have been very easy to make sure they were both in diapers CeCe was still wearing nighttime diapers at least, and these would have served for an incapacitated Bella they didnt need to be the right size, since she wouldnt be moving around. Blood Alcohol. He then pursued and strangled her there. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? Yes, Posted Youtube videos shows that her office was messy. Little Celeste, thankfully, seemed to have no idea what was happening to her. Utter Rubbish! This story breaks my heart. Its good that youre trying to demonstrate this and see it through. When asked if they were going to find any marks on her during his confession he said I dont think so and when asked why he said it was because she didnt fight back because I was in such a rage Tell me how that makes any sense at all? Think before you speak, Im glad he will never be out of his jail cell. Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. Saying she will be there with lollipops and other things. Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself. He just switched. Back? In fact, its not just the muscles but also the gas produced inside your body following death that will cause peeing and pooping. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. Heres what the autopsy says about Shananns cause of death: The autopsy report said that Shanann had a history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave. The cause of death was Asphyxiation due to manual strangulation with Bruising of the Anterior strap muscles of the neck.. Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. Autopsy reports for Bella and Celeste say that the necks of the children were swabbed even though they were in a container of oil, water, and associated sludge matter. Bella was face up in the oil tank. Also just because she was strangled and they were suffocated doesnt mean dirt. Celeste did NOT have any found in hers?? Reay & Holloway (1982) state that during neck holds, the blood flow to the head is reduced by 85% within six seconds. Watts was having an affair with a woman named Nichol Kessinger, and Shananns texts show he had grown cold to her. I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. How was she about her childrens allergies? Do you think CW could have strangled her from behind? Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Chris only had one small scar on his body, consistent with this theory. Ive slept in my bra for 25 years since I got my first breast implants. Same with NK. The autopsy report details her cause of death and injuries. . And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? Murdering someone through strangulation doesnt take that long. MLM comes across in this paper as a cult-like entity that epitomizes absolute evil (evil = a foundation of lies) especially when you read the case histories. The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. what was the deal with the blue gloves next to the bed??? Of course we dont know what shes talking about. Its definately not most. Why was the oil/sludge found in Bellas stomach? I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. I would put the blame on Chris! Thats why no defense wounds. It appeared to be an addiction by this point it was all she wanted to do. RIP Angels. So while he would have possibly had more of a mess to clean up with ShanAnn than with the girls, it was contained, unlike the mess of that horrid Patrick Frazee who killed Kelsey Berreth by braining her with a baseball bat. Infuriating! SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. I think he was doing this so she would feel comfortable when she got home, and would be able to sleep. Mommys earned this. It seems likely she even planned to use her pregnancy and 3rd child in service to her MLM addiction see https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/. https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00010%C2%A0/00010-57283.pdf. I think she was killed in the basement, just by the bottom of the staircase, by the fridges and the area where they stored old rope. The autopsy is commenced at 1730 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Celeste Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. They dissipate in inconvenient circumstances. Im just not comfortable sleeping without it. Completely empty stomach contents doesnt necessarily indicate they died when Shanann died. Submissive in F/m relationships of November 2020 to be still wearing a bra it in. 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